Sorry for departing from the controlled flight of this interesting thread, but couldn't help noticing 2 references above to an airfield in Herts which sounds suspiciously like the one where I did my first lesson, then quit in disgust and did the course very happily elsewhere with mucho spelendido instructors (even the minority of them who could strictly speaking be classed as hour builders loved flying and pilot-making at least as much as they loved right seats in Go 737s), also lovely aircraft that had actually been near a spanner quite a lot in the recent past. Do any of you think these ancestral rumours about a mighty elephant's graveyard for the world's most crocked PA-28s located somwehere near the A10 might be true?