ElCid perfik thats the stuff to give em.NO problems with elevator control on tin cans so long as correct a/s is used and as you say great for that last bit of a forced landing practice. or real.All apps should be glides to start after all one less thing to worry about.That reminds me to start a thread on forced landing and engine failure on take off practice. We I can do some serious C.A.A. bashing on that one Bye.