Liam, you miss the obvious. The issue of 65 is seat based. IE: if you are already in the left seat, no problem with 65. If you are in the right seat, you are against it. That is of course, until you are promoted to the left seat, then, miraculously, you seem to find that 65 is no problem. I fully support a fair deal, but am tired of hearing comments from the children suggesting that I have no 'right' to fly beyond 55. When I hear that, I couldn't care less what happens to the lot of you at that point. Don't like my attitude.....well, you can imagine how much I care? Whether you like it or not, 65 is a done deal. Not just in HK, but worldwide. Get over it. ps. where does it say in your contract 'how long' it should be before you get a command...? hmmm, bit of a problem there me thinks.