Don. .. .Take a look at <a href="http://www.pprune.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=53&t=000746&p=" target="_blank"> this thread</a>. I got lots of good advice - but my landings can still be a bit dubious <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> . .. .Also, take a look <a href="http://www.monmouth.com/~jsd/how/htm/landing.html" target="_blank"> here </a>. . .. .Don't give up - I thought I was never going to get it, and then I nailed one. After that is started to click, and now they are mostly OK...