SSD, you're right on that, spoke to a committee member on Friday and heard the same. Sounds very much like a council/Peel effort to confuse and mystify everyone into submission. The talk of "only 18 months left" is also a good rumour to kill business off at Barton and run it down. Let's not believe it until it happens.. .. .Salford council are now key to this, in terms of what they decide the site should become - but they havent a good record as far as Peel is concerned.. .. .Niknak, your idea sounds wonderful to those who . .. .(a) dont know enough about the club and the situation . .. .(b) dont live in the area near Barton . .. .(c) want to fly with all the hassle of being underneath MIA's approach & takeoff paths and . .. .(d) want to move from being under Mcr/ Peel/ Salfords thumb to being underneath BAE's thumb. BAE have a stop/go policy on GA, it's only a little while since they kicked GA off Woodford.. .. .(e) think that sticking 2 fingers up at people solves situations. It doesnt.. .. .Sod the sentimentality, we are talking about housing 100+ aircraft, many of them tailwheel, 1000+ members (more than many flying clubs put together) and 100+ peoples livelihoods. At the moment, the sentimentality appears to be about the only hope of forestalling Peel so let's use it for Gods sake. . .. .Whats more this goes beyond piddling GA (pardon my insult, only the relativity being emphasised here). It's about urban expansion and greed, wrecking green belt land, & alleged corruption at the highest levels of city councils, not just turfing some sentimental flyers out. If the land is only worth £1million why not offer it for sale to the club? (probably because a certain council member had a very nice holiday in Oz as the guest of a Peel executive..... ooops!). .. .I live less than 5 miles from Barton and weekend traffic is often worse than weekday. More development means more pollution, more crowding, more urban despair. I'll fight it not only on the aviation front but on the social & environmental front. NikNak if you are an aviator, you'd best support this because if not, your airfield & your leisure flying may well be next!. .. .However, I do agree with you Niknak about commercialism - in my humble opinion, significant money has to be focussed on the problem from the club in order to get professional assistance in fighting the case and putting forward a viable strategy to counter Peel. . .. .This whole scenario has to get away from club politics and have some real continuity in order to succeed. The days of counting the pennies for new paper clips (or more likely, getting a friend to supply them at cost) have to come to an end. Use the sentimentality aspect by all means but use it in a professional way as part of the overall lobbying.. .. ...may as well say it b4 someone else does....yes, I was on Committee 93-96 & was pushing the commercial stuff then, but trying to maintain the club feel at the same time. NOT an easy job. I dont envy anyone on committee at this time.