I'd agree with Mik - get second hand DC10-40's if you can find them. I don't think that they're available new (Transair and Pilot Warehouse don't list them, which was the extent of my research.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> ). . .. .Failing that DC10-13.4's are great.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />