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Old 20th April 2008 | 22:02
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ssg
 
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Yeah you got it right..

Chris,

Yes that's what I meant...flying in an aircraft that has enough engine to get you into Coffin corner, means your generaly flying a faster aircraft, that would be nice.

Designers that build a plane and set a low Vmo for the stupidist pilot meant to fly it means that the rest of us have to fly around 20/30/40+ kts slower then the plane can handle...inefficient...

I don't pretend to be an aeronautical design expert, but I do believe with the advent of computers around the mid 80s, helping with airflow simulations, ect...we have better wings now then a slide rule designed Lear 24. While I have no experience in that aircraft, my informal survey of Lear pilots on this subject state that high speed characteristics vary from nothing to buzzing, to full on tucks, that have killed some guys...who knows...all this happening in the .82+ region...not very fast...

I do know that if you look at an older Lear, they usualy have more VGs, slall fences, and other add on to make the wing better.

Anyway..

A good point of this is the new Premier One. Swept wing, flies right up to FL410 and does .80 right off the bat. Landing? Nice easy ref of 110 kts, no TRs on board, plane stopped in 2500 ft on my first try without really getting on the brakes. Good low and high speed characteristics. The only swept wing corporate jet that the FAA will let a single pilot loose on.

Just a note: If you can get a hold of some of the flight testing summaries of aircraft modells you might notice some things...

The SJ30, and Citation X for example...tend to roll left before they exhibit any wing overstress or flying issues. Others I am told, certain Citation models will start to vibrate uncontrollably, some are limited by thier windshield...so Vmo many times will not be because of tuck, buzz, or your elevator getting washed out but other things....

Bringing this full circle...the idea that you can fly a plane where nothing limits or happens to you, untill you run out of power or wing, again would be flying an aircraft right up it's max. I like that...
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