I was quite sure you guys were only using that old saying tounge in cheek. However newbies to flying sometimes really do take us seriously and when we make some off hand remark some take it as the absolute gospel.. .. .Soooo I was just posting for no real good reason and as soon as this weather gets warmer I will be to busy to play with this keyboard..... ................ . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />