Cat Driver, I cannot speak for Ivchenko but my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I repeated the comment.. .. .That saying, with minor alterations to the wording, had been around a lot longer than I have.. .I would bet it was originally made by someone after doing a wheels up as a means of laughing off the razz directed at him by his fellow pilots. . .. .I would hope that no pilot, budding or otherwise, reading this forum would think there is some sort of inevitability about the occurrence, because, as you have pointed out, the overwhelming majority. .do not.