" There those who have and those who will ". .. .That statement in all fairness should also have the addition of.. .. ."However for the vast majority of pilots who fly retractable gear aircraft only a small minority of pilots are unfortunate enought to make this error.". .. .I truly feel sad for the guy or gal who did this to his / her new machine. . .. ................. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />