You are wrong, englishal, to imply that UK flying clubs are engaged in the complex process of prejudice, when it's just their business plan to:. .-rubbish training anywhere else. .-milk the students for max. hours. .-rip-off anyone who hasn't trained with us.. . . .Julian, you should remember that you are not allowed to mock the moderators. Even if WWW has no hours in North America, that does not prevent him pontificating on pilot training there or anything else. . .P.S. If anyone believes that American, Continental, Delta etc. pilots are incompetent and inferior to those on BA, Easy, Go, Ryan etc., they should ask the CAA to ban US carriers from UK airspace.