Daifly.. . The last thing I would want is for people to feel that if they have a 'problem' with an A/G operator or FISO they should start ringing ATS standards! I merely put the info in the post because this question was posed earlier in this topic. My personal view is that firstly, as you rightly say, you should understand the limitations of the service that,as a pilot, you're recieving. Secondly, the responsibility finally rests with you as the pilot, whatever the ATC service you're getting.. .. .Spiney