<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Like many of you out there I do not mean to offend, but to hopefully make some of us think.. .Thanks for the correction to my post regarding any Restricted airspace re GPS, bad choice of words in this case...sorry, but most of you can see the point, what ever you want to refer to the space around or overhead any gliding or similar site you can argue the toss until the cows come home if you want, but I dont want this to degenerate into a them and us situation.. .The point is that at the end of the day, if an aircraft is seen to be encroaching O/H that can be considered as a conflict when winching is going on, then winching is stopped until they have passed over.. .If they knowingly continued with a launch then they need their bums kicked (ground launch controllers). .Regarding heights gained off a winch depends on wind strength as previously stated in another post, last winch I did in strong winds took me over 2000ft, so yes it can be a serious conflict even at this height.. .Dont forget many sites, including Hus Bos, have aerotowing going on as well.. .Regarding markings on the chart, it is clearly marked on the chart that I have (out of date!!)WITH THE WORDS INTENSE GLIDING.. .It just seems that there APPEARS to me to be a significant number of aircraft that just blindly fly striaght overhead, which brings me to my comment about GPS.. .Assuming that they are on track, if you sat down and planned your journey in the way we were all taught, then your intended track drawn on your chart will highlight any potential Dangerous areas.. .If you are off track then at least I would expect if you have planned your trip with referance to a chart then you would be aware that a site exists in the area, so why then do 99.9% of infringements make a beeline overhead which suggests to me that they have no knowledge of what they are overflying?...and this doesnt just mean gliding sites.... .Please note that I DO NOT REPRESENT the club at Hus Bos, it is purely my opinion, so any comments re- campaining for it to become RESTRICTED airspace would be upto the club committee, not me!. .They wouldnt listen to me anyway!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .Lastly to those of you who suggest that I am refering to GPS as any new fangled invention and am anti GPS, then you are mistaken as I have to rely on some of the lastest gear every day I go to work, plus enhanced GPWS, EFIS, TCAS, blah blah blah, but it doesnt stop us from looking out the window as well!!. .I know it is easy to throw stones and I know that ALL pilots are capable of being positionally challanged, especially glider pilots, but we do need to be aware where we are, why it happens quite so often, that I cannot answer only to ask is it people just blindly following a GPS track or bad training? You tell me..