thx... but there was a change in the qr in reference to the time spent on downgrading and having read this it doesnt half look like its being made up as it goes along leaving my guy in a bit of a quandry, i ve advised him to take this to a civil court as i,m not in any way a guru on employment laws within which the military falls in about all aspects ( excluding such other things as union membership, refusal to carry out a job due to health and safety and the right to withdraw your labour) which are all fair enough but penalising anybody because they have become ill or partially disabled seems a no brainer and i was after a bit of solid info on what civilian laws applied,