Is it possible instead of 'just' doing the SIC type, say in a RJ, but request the full TR.........but still be employed as a SIC. ( So that on any deadhead 91 flights you could log PIC ). Just a thought................
If you're talking about doing this with an airline, no. The airline chooses what rating you get, not you. Further, the PIC is assigned the PIC and remains the PIC. It's generally frowned upon in a professional environment to log PIC when you're not the PIC...sole manipulator not withstanding. If you didn't sign for the airplane, you don't log it as PIC. The regulation allows you to do so if rated in the airplane and sole manipulator, but that's not something that's done at an airline, or recognized by most professional departments.
Part of the SIC type rating reasoning was for security, it allows the feds to vet and see who is flying any aircraft (N-reg) that requires a type rating as well as increase crew safety following the Payne Stewart accident.
I'm not certain that you have any clue what you're talking about. The SIC type has NOTHING to do with security, and everything to do with ICAO compliance. In fact, the SIC type rating isn't required in the US domestically; only when traveling outside the country.
The Payne Stewart mishap had nothing to do with security, nor did it have anything to do with type ratings, nor would a full or SIC type have had any bearing on crew safety, nor would the SIC type have made anyone aware of who was flying the airplane before or after the payne stewart mishap. Further, the SIC isn't listed on the flight plan, and doesn't enable the "feds" or anyone else to see who is flying the airplane other than the PIC listed in the flight plan. The payne stewart mishap involved a learjet with depleted oxygen and a manually closed oxygen shutoff valve (as best anyone can tell), and an unconscious crew and passenger. How exactly would a SIC rating have made any difference at all??
That would defeat the purpose of the SIC type - namely, to keep your butt in the right seat for as long as possible.
Perhaps said in gest, but the SIC type has nothing to do with holding anybody back. Airlines don't hire SIC's. They hire captains who start out as SIC's. The SIC type is strictly designed to meet international requirements when crews leave the domestic US. One assigned as a SIC doesn't need the full type rating for compliance. Operators who provide training fully understand that granting a type rating is enhancing the marketability and value of their employees pilot certificates, and pilots have a long and well established history of taking the money (and training) and running. Pilots engage in this disonest practice all too often, and employers who grant SIC only privileges do have the ability to curb this somewhat by not issuing the full type.
This doesn't mean anybody is being held back, in any way, shape, or form. An employee upgrades when the employee is ready to upgrade, type notwithstanding, and at that time, receives the full type.
If you believe this you are sadly mistaken,
Actually, Galaxy Flyer isn't sadly mistaken. For a Part 91 operator, obtaining a SIC type for an employee is very simple, and it's a paperwork issue that doesn't involve security or complication. Bring in a completed 8710 and a log endorsement to the local FSDO, walk away with a fresh temporary certificate and the SIC type. Even today...post 09/11.