Hoorah, sensible words Noggin, wingtip along the runway and turns when at 45degrees. Just how we try to teach them. Rectangular circuit within gliding range of the airfield. Its the landings that are important, not x country flying at this stage. Even when mixing it with 737s, this works, with just the odd orbit downwind for spacing. Admittedly it can be difficult if the aircraft ahead is flying cross country circuits, but a request for a right hand circuit instead of left hand normally allows a sensible circuit to be flown, provided noise abatment aspects permit. In reply to the comment about throwing things away when an approach goes pearshaped, definatly something we advocate, but it would be nice if we weren't charged for go-arounds.