There we go - another page of comment, and still no closer to actually doing anything about it.
Gareth surely you can see the irony of your reply? A "group of people trying their hearts out" (sic) - exactly how? Where?
I see no point in repeating what I've already said but I've seen no evidence to suggest my view is wrong. It's a lost cause unless, by some miracle, TVOC succeeds without anybody else's influence.
Incidentally Cypherus his name is Pleming, not Phleming.