Rudderless, so what you are suggesting is that the shareholders should take an active role in managing the company? Brilliant idea, that way we'll get better returns on our investment and perhaps share executive bonuses. Qantas is no longer government owned and controlled, I was employed by Qantas when it was. No greedy ignorant shareholders then. In route stations, my colleagues and I were chauffeur driven to the hangar and back home to the company provided free accommodation and our salary was tax free. Maybe you should fight to have Qantas nationalized?