MOR,. .How have the terms and conditions secured by BA pilots been "subsidised by the non BA BALPA members" exactly? You yourself have stated that pilots have little influence with regards to pay in other companies. Not a case of "green eyed envy across the apron" is it? In my earlier post I was refering to the fact that there is little support "in house" these days, from those in the top half of the seniority list to those in the bottom half. It seems that many would rather see their more junior collegues sent down the road than have their kids miss a horse riding lesson, or whatever, here and there!!