Captain Midnight, the main reason that it has not been brought up at recent RAPAC meetings is that those who have not flown VFR extensively overseas would not know there were better ways of doing things. Many VFR pilots I know believe they are indeed fortunate to be allowed through the airspace at all and would not dare complain about delays for the fear that they would be refused entry in the future.
It's a similar situation with some ATC's. They do not know that other modern aviation countries have developed modern procedures which move more traffic with less delays. How would they know, for the overseas visit programme that I introduced as CAA chairman in 1991 was stopped soon after I retired.
Fragnasty, I have been refering to delays that occur when just civil aircraft are present-not military.
Last edited by Dick Smith; 3rd Feb 2008 at 06:54.