"....and has as its basis, self doubt."
Clearly. Right from the start of the thread.
You are right, contraxdog. This argument, in all of history, has never reached saturation, nor will it ever. We do not learn from the past.
Neither is this forum capable of resolving issues of political and social philosophy that have plagued our species since the dawn of time. This thread, and the likes of those who start such threads, will only divide further. If these issues cannot be resovled in the highest gatherings of tribal leadership, how could it here?
Yip, bin it.