One of the major problems was acquiring the skill level to fly demo's in public and, therefore, HAVING to fly circuits in front of oneself - (the mental reversal on base leg). I found the best lead-in technique was to fly figure of eights initially so that the base leg was always away from you and maintained the orientation. Once happy with that, I started to fly level circuits with the base leg towards me (and, yes, JF, TALKING the whole thing through) and then, as it became less of a strain, taking the descent on final. Eventually, it became ALMOST second nature, but I cannot believe I would ever have reached the standard of the demo at Sandown Park, some years back, of an IMMACULATE, continuous, rolling circle....... now that was real hand-eye co-ordination. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />