Just noticed this thread.. .I am also a RC modeller, large and small glider, IC power, and recently started dabbling with electric.. .. .Now that I can no longer fly full size I get a lot of satisfaction from hurling a model round the skies doing many of the manoeuvres that were forbidden or those I was unable to do. Particularly those involving lots of negative G.. .. .John, you certainly chose the hard way if you are teaching yourself. Its much easier with an instructor using a buddy box, and less destructive. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> . .As you are probably finding out it is relatively easy if the model is going away, but its a different story when it is coming towards you. Good luck. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />