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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 14:19
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anotherthing
 
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I'm surprised and dismayed that you do not have a screen that tells you what they delays are for LL/KK/SS/GW. EATs only get put up if over 20 mins, however it would be helpful for you guys and ultimately us if you were given the same info we are.. if you have the facility to do it for EATs, you should have that capability when its less than 10mins/10-15 mins or whatever. Then we might not get stuff at 300kts+ when we have 15-20 mins delay promulgated!!

If you don't have the info, how can you act accordingly? Might be worth bringing it up your end, it has been raised recently on ours.

LAM-BNN is not used that often - it can cause problems to capital etc, but used on a tactical basis, it works well.... unfortunately LAM-BIG is an easy cop out, however the past few times, we have ended up then moving BIG to OCK and even TIGER holding .

Some people claim that to call a/c on from LOGAN takes too long, yet I know plenty of North Bankers (that's not cockney slang), who say it is not an issue. LAM has plenty of levels.. as soon as it is observed that the bottom a/c has a heading off, the next one can be called on and arrive in a timely fashion.

This is unlike the outer holds for WILLO/OCK which suffer for 2 reasons. 1 - they are a fair distance away, and 2 because of the lack of available levels at these holds, once they start to empty, they can do so quickly if the sequence dictates that 2 or 3 come off in succesion from that hold.

Holding out is never a good option for AC - it's not what you do and it can get messy. It's too restrictive and causes other problems. However management must be willing to use LOGAN otherwise we might as well bin it. LAM is a busy stack so often something needs to be done, LAM-BIG is often a lazy, unimaginative cop out that traffic managers/GS's who have little idea of how the sectors work foist upon us.
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