This is not now, nor will it ever be, a battle between pilots and cabin crew. Those who would make it so need to calm down and get a bit of perspective. Pilots and CC are just two of several workgroups within the company. They may be the largest and most important groups, but there are many others. All are entitled to expect rises which reflect increases in the cost of living, subject to the Company having the funds to pay those rises without risking its own survival. Naturally, the amount that would risk survival will be disputed between the Company and its employees, but there most certainly is a limit, as anyone with an ounce of common sense can work out.
Now,
Vslga, exactly as you would be upset if pilots could get answers from the Company about your confidential pay negotiations, so pilots are entitled to have their talks' confidentiality respected. That is why you won't get an answer. And, for the umpteenth time, the pilots' pay was not raised by one set of pay talks, or one years' deal. It took 6 (SIX) years of patient negotiating and getting a bit at a time. That's longer than most CC will work for the Company!
Shanwick Shanwick you make my point (from
this post) eloquently: the Union's disorganised and shambolic approach will lose them members, which will have an inevitable negative impact on the CC's ability to negotiate a satisfactory settlement either now or in the future. If the CC - the largest negotiating group in the Company - fail to get a satisfactory deal, there is little hope for anyone else in the Company, especially those who have no Union representation. That is why this is so important to everyone else, and why you (collectively) should back off and keep your powder dry until you are properly organised and led.