Sprucemoose. .Fair dos, you are right and I am wrong. I should not tar every body with the same brush. Richard Norton Taylor, Paul Beaver, Francis Tusa (Sp?)Kim Singupta...good journos. I don't know you so can not comment on your work, I was not refering to the specialist press I know you take pride in getting it right and do, sorry if you took offence. I was having a pop at Mike Smith....come back Tim Butcher thats what I say. Some journos just know that they are going to start a ball rolling that is impossible to stop, sadly if you ask any member of the public today about Apachie the first thing they will think now is that it will 'shoot itself out of the sky' this is not true and I blame this on poor journalism.