Thanks for your help. You are right about recognising traffic Artie but I've had no training in that at my school. I'm applying for Qantas Cadetship and I know they will test me on these things. All we need to know at the airfield I train at is the difference between a Grob and a Piper, or Katana and Tobago, they train with almost nothing else there, but yes i totally agree i need to learn more and here I am. Will check out !!!!!!!!!!!!!! too, thanks heaps clown. There is so much to learn beyond what is in my CPL theory books.