It is somewhat disingenious to suggest LTD's remarks are unreliable when the comments are clearly on the linked audio, and presumably was not the only flight crew member in his aircraft who witnessed this.
Many argumentative defensive postings seem to be trying to force this thread away from the main purpose of why LTD posted - his concern.
I cannot see any reason for trying to influence the direction of the thread, unless such postings are from the ignorant who are not involved in or knowledgeable about professional aviation.
Last edited by Re-Heat; 8th Dec 2007 at 13:27.