Great! We're digging up the dog, some very insightful observations.
1. I agree fighters have to have the CAPABILITY TO manoeuvre. I AM NOT SUGGESTING THEY DON'T. The debate is "how much?"
2. The question is, "is the manoeuvrability exhibited by F-15, MIG-29, and F-16, good enough for today's air-to-air environment." If so, what are we hoping to achieve by going beyond this?
3. If stealth is so essential, how come even BAe admit, that Typhoon is nowhere near as stealthy as F-22. There doesn't seem to be a consensus among fighter designers, or pilots on this issue.
I know this may seem like SAME OLD SAME OLD, but I do have very good reasons for wanting to go over this in some detail.