akerosid, I have just seen your post of 28 Nov. I have been having further thoughts and have been looking at evidence. In the next two weeks we will see published plans for S08. Things are changing very fast. I think a major failure is imminent in Europe. In America I think Delta´s international expansion plans based on very old airplanes are unsustainable. No new aircraft orders from AA. UA DL spell disaster. You cannot compete if you have high costs. These dinosaur companies are about to implode. That is my thoughts anyway.