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Old 6th December 2007 | 02:10
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punkalouver
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Originally posted by joernstu
punkalouver, in all your argumentation, you continously overlook, that the topic of this threat is the discussion on TCAS philosophies. This cannot be limited to the teaching material published by any organisation.
I haven't overlooked that at all. I have just responded and perhaps added to 2 very, in my opinion, irresponsible statements.
1) that the actions of the TU-154 crew were rational
2)The statement "I cannot decide, what kind of action would induce the lowest risk - following an RA, not following an RA or flying without TCAS at all as the basis for my risk evaluation would be episodes. I think the same goes for you as your information basis is still only episodes."

There are occasional pilots out there who will read or hear about about some obscure or one-off scenario(not necessarily TCAS related) and as a result decide that they have a better plan of action than the SOP. Perhaps it is how to deal with a certain type of fire or ditching procedure. I have flown with these types. Statements like your coming from a supposed accident analysis panel or whatever it is called I believe increases the likelyhood of some people disregarding or going against an RA.
Originally posted by joernstu
I wonder - if you really have read the Eurocontrol bulletins as you said you have, why hasn't it occured to you, that all the cases published there have one causal factor in common: TCAS.
I think, perhaps it is you who should read the bulletins. The are all kinds of examples where TCAS worked as programmed and saved the day including two in Bulletin 9(one an altitude bust,the other is an ATC error). The A-340 incident was caused by proper procedures not being followed which can cause an incident in many ways in aviation.

Originally posted by joernstu
Interestingly enough, you quote the BFU report but seem not to recognise, that the first point stated by the BFU report under "systematic causes" (page 119 in the german version) is the insufficient integration of TCAS into the aviation system.
I read this statement which is located a second time earlier in the report. I will print here the next sentence in the same paragraph. "The regulations concerning ACAS/TCAS published by ICAO and as a result the regulationsof national aviation authorities, operational and procedural instructions of the TCAS manufacturer and the operators were not standardized, incomplete and partially contradictory."
So the training and regulations were not proper or were contradictory. This could lead to problems in many areas. I believe the BFU is correct. This is a regulatory issue which I believe has been corrected.

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