Of all the things you guys talk about that can bite you in the ass with your various helos, I can think of more than one occasion in my limited 700 hours in the hawk that I've done the same thing or likewise ham-fisted and stupid, and she takes it in stride. Even flying around at max gross almost all the time, the 60 seems to have no bad habits at all. I'm inclined to think NickLappos really does know what he's talking about.....