Thanks guys - thats helpful - I will check them out now. This whole NW thing is turning into a nightmare of epic proportions with lots of flow on effects. Any more suggestions ? I will also be looking at KMIA to JNB - 2 jets for about 230 pax. This and the LVI flight are next year (April). Nice for the right operator - ie dont drop engines, on time and planes that are in shape, etc etc