Considering this was supposed to be about the well being of the unfortunate crew and pax of a downed miltary helicopter amazing how it has degenrated into a green/blue row.. .. .Murphy young man, you are not fit to lace DH's boots, let alone smart enough to criticise him.. .. .Arrse.......you certainly are if you really believe what you have accused these guys off or perhaps it's just a bit of penis envy.. .. .Jffni you have answered all your own questions fella and all you have done is confirm what those of with a modicum of intelligence already knew......life in the Army sucks, tell me I am wrong!......If your daft enough to put up with a system that is, and always has been, undermanned and over worked then you are a mug. The RAF employs people of all trades and affords them all with the sort of working pattern you seem so envious of. You talk about nads, so why not use yours and do what many of your predeccesors have done and come accross and enjoy a far superior life style than the one you are currently enduring. DH was correct when he said the RAF do more work. You may have more toys in theatre but when a drumstick or it's slightly bigger brother can lift as much as a Wokka or Percy than come back and let us know.. .. .RHL.....spot on!!. .. .Happy Herc Mate.....ex tiger mate 92-94!. .. .all spelling mistakes are "dh" alcohol induced. . . . <small>[ 17 March 2002, 21:26: Message edited by: Always_broken_in_wilts ]</small>