Civil units thankfully decree a level below which RAS will simply not be given - and this normally equates to the highest of your SSA's (if the sectors are different) within 25 miles.. .. .Even though the pilot is responsible for terrain separation under a LARS service I would still take the attitude that if the pilot wanted a descent I would give him down to SSA and no further unless he was VMC and visual with the ground. From that point it's pilot's decision what height he flies, not mine. Duty of care means you do your best for him, but from then onwards it's his decision.. .. .Hopefully it will be the system that will be found wanting and not the ATCO involved - we don't need another Gradimir Tasic (BEA/JAT Midair Yugoslavia 1976 - another scapegoat when the system was at fault).. .. .CM. . . . <small>[ 15 March 2002, 13:47: Message edited by: Chilli Monster ]</small>