"Jacta alea est" it is, then. I polled another,completely unconnected, forum and got the same result (someone there was using the same Smith's dictionary as well, Chippy). Told you my latin wasn't much good, it took me three goes to pass O level! I understand that there are also two different versions of Latin - one for the public writings and proclamations and the other for the common herd. Like public school and Estuary English, I suppose.. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 20:31: Message edited by: Groundgripper ]</small>