JEEZ...Goffel(by the sea)!! These and the others are serious allegations and one needs to carefully check them out. Just had a call where someone else has told how he got burned by this guy and proceeded to tell me the exact scenario you just sketched. Cross-checking and verification works again! Thanks guys, this is what I needed to know but had actually hoped for positive info. Sabian paint a very convincing picture, even told me they have two part 135 and one part 121 license! Long story attached as to why they find it necessary to do business this way which is where the stall warning light started flickering, hence my post. When talking to the Sabian guy again I will be armed with the info and will certainly post his answers, if he has any! ANY further info please post or pm me.