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Old 22nd Nov 2007, 10:57
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RYANAIR CPT vs FOs

Its that time of year again,

Well it turns out there was a ‘secret’ ERC meeting in Stansted yesterday, so the three stooges could negotiate there own fat pay rise, what about the rest of us…are we not allowed to know that OUR Employee Representative Committee are having this meeting! Probably not, because they are lining their own pockets and not thinking about anyone else, no signs, no posters in the crew room, no note on crew dock, just a secret hush hush meeting with the management.

What happened to REPA?? Haven’t had a text in a while!
What happened to BALPA?

The rumoured pay deal is something similar the last effort, sector pay £24 per hour for captains and £17 per hour for FO’s, yes £17 per hour!!

So if you work 900 hrs per year, which you probably wont,

Captains - 900x24= 21600 /12 = approx £1800 per month

FO’s 900x17=15300/12 = approx £1275 per month

At the moment its approx £22 per hour for FO’s and Captains

22x900=19800/12=£1650 per month

I guess you can see where this is going for the FO’s…..

I should imagine there’s a few other extras thrown in to gloss over the reduction in sector pay, rubbish pension (no good if you leave) and what not, but its still going to be a pay cut.

Ryanair seem to think that FO’s will accept this because they know that in three years with the bare minimum hours they can be a Captain and get a pay rise, but what are the FO’s supposed to do for the first three years, I don’t know bout you, but my whole life doesn’t revolve around getting four stripes! FO’s still have houses, kids etc to pay for, plus the loans they got to get the job in the first place, £70000 plus, and we don’t all have a rich daddy!

This situation is just like their random base change pay cuts, they open a base near where you call home, they offer you the chance to move home, but what they don’t tell you is they’ve already cut your pay by up to £16000 per year, because they think they are doing you a favour by moving you home, well you can get lost!

This is going to turn into a situation where all the FO’s with a 1000hrs+ jet time are going to leave for somewhere better, then you will have no internal command upgrades leaving the company with DEC’s from another defunct airline somewhere in the world flying with a 200 hr cadet’s. Be afraid, very afraid!!!

This will also result I an extreme cockpit gradient, not just in experience, but knowing that the guy sat next to you in the left voted yes and therefore lost you 500-800 pounds a month, should make for interesting cockpit conversation, and indeed performance and safety! Sure, the lack of quality is already starting to show its head, no more command checks (to reduce failure rate) and a simplified LPC/OPC sim layout, which is easier to pass, or as they look at it NOT to fail!!

I’m not doubting anyone’s professionalism when it comes to flying, hell, with the amount of SOP’s, duplicated checklist items and standard calls in place its hard to miss something important (although it does happen…) but I don’t think the YES voting captain is going to get as much out of the NO voting FO as he would if we had ALL STICKED TOGETHER!! And worked as a TEAM. Bye bye CRM, what’s that they teach you at east mid’s, there’s no I in TEAM (well, unless you’re a Ryanair YES captain that is!!)

This could be one of the best airlines in Europe, great routes, fairly new aircraft, the management just need to realise this, a happy pilot is a safer and more productive pilot, which I think I fairly obvious.

For the sake of the company, and the FO’s, lets have an open discussion about this ERC, why behind closed doors…….fat brown envelopes……..?
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