HP-steady on old chap/chapess. You can't tarnish all of our ground based brethren with the same brush as Admin Guru! Some of the guys are very talented-but find something in the services that the civilian World can't offer them. Sure there are plebs in the ground branches, but I don't think anyone would pretend that there aren't some aircrew you wouldn't want to slap with a moist kipper. Eg-childhood friend of mine-always wanted to be a pilot/nav. Unfortunately, he's as blind as a bat, so decided to go Regt to do something near the sharp end. Gets told 6 weeks from the end of the 'J' course he has arthritic knees so is binned. Now re-mustered as provost. Very intelligent chap and would have no snags getting a job outside, but loves the RAF life. Definately not an 'Admin Guru'..... <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">