I thought this was a discussion to find the answer to a question and how to conduct a procedure. You appear to see it as two sides with tin helmets on, winner to be declared. You have provided no answer to serious operational questions- I don't see it as an effective safe procedure, whatever allegedly ATC may expect. It is no longer a discussion, it's a point scoring row- where did the need for tin hats come in here? We might as well terminate- I can see it effectively going no further than point scoring.
I'm going to work now. Definitely no swingovers ever again! They're not safe. Not with passengers, and many pilots expecting to do something when ATC apparently expect something else. Something that may well not be possible (as at LHR).
Last edited by Rainboe; 6th Nov 2007 at 12:31.