I guess UAM's from Planet Ainsdale, where QGH approaches rule!!! No NDB's required, just good old fashioned DF and stopwatch!!! The arguments here are all valid, provided that you consider the Bulldog's thirty years older than the 115 and that's why it was replaced.......... Still, met some chaps on a landaway at Perth once who were buying a Bulldog (or two) off the Guadeloupe (sp) Air Force I think it was and they were complaining that the airframes had 800 hrs on them!!! We got out our 700s to prove the hours on our Bulldogs and they nearly had a coronary!!!