Brian, do you think that you are so up the food chain in MAS that you know that that the abovementioned chaps had not told off the boss? I for one do know of a few guys who had given the bosses the finger and lived to suffer later...then they upped and left. You seem so full of bravado; but I think you are a budding 001. I was told that 001 had similar views like you in his days as a young commander, helping out MAPA bosses, singing their praises and even had a stint as MAPA secretary. Once drafted into the ranks of management, he was a disaster for MAS pilots. An aussiephile, he became a patron saint of the ozzies. I certainly am wary of " mata sepeks " of the likes of you.