I am staggered by just how much activity there has been here whilst I was driving slowly home from the H.o.l. press day. So glad that I did not pass K52 (he's not my neighbour I hope?)on an autoroute!!It may have caused an international incident - sadly I still do not have the dignity of Mike Tapper and John Cook, so rightly reported by you Brian.(Thanks for all your hard work by the way, including rescuing lost people at the Hol)). .So - Percy D had a "valid point of view! eh K52 ? Only if he were a dray horse (maybe he is) and you postulate that the pilots were tired and hungry so they all flew into a hill in spite of the assistance of their highly qualified air load masters too? Perhaps when you are next having a cosy chat with P.D.you could remind him that buses or even luxury coaches do not have 4 specially trained crew members and if they happen to crash at speed, killing a lot of passengers(even less precious ones than my husband) they have enquiries with all the facts displayed. We have had 5 separate enquiries/committees now and "facts" have only slowly evolved as various very brave people became free to share their knowledge safe from MOD gags.. .But before I go off to write and fax Hoon, Blair and anyone else I can think of to recommend the acceptance of this wonderfully clear report- I must record from my notes at the 1996 Sheriff's FAI in Paisley for K52's benefit - Sq Ldr Stangroom the O.C. of 230 sqdn at the time was duty flight commander on June 2ns '94 and he reported to the Sheriff that John Tapper had discussed with him his options if he needed to extend his flying time but he felt that he would complete the task without needing to contact SRAFONI.That is one conversation we do know about in which John was showing his usual careful pre-planning.We also know that he was familiar with the Mull of Kintyre because he had landed actually on the H there shortly before the crash - this was reported to me by the lighthouse keepers when I visited the crash site 3 days after the accident.. .And Mark Holbrook (the yachtsman - not Holroyd!)was a VERY credible witness who did not "drastically" change his statement after struggling with the Crown services to be allowed to give evidence - he was not only a yachtsman but a technically trained man who wanted help to be as accurate as possible in his observations - this help he was denied by the MOD. sound familiar?. .Finally ( sorry to go on- but it is probably my last posting )I can't remember who raised the compensation issue, but I think that I stated in an earlier posting that all of the passengers families did indeed sue for 3 long years for compensation for the death of our loved ones, only because we were about to be treated like second class citizens and fobbed off by the Crown services.I still have an intercepted memo between **** saying that we were a pretty submissive bunch in N.I. and would probably accept the statutory blanket compensation (ceiling £100.000)offered as a routine to all civilian air passengers on civilian flights in the event of a fatal crash - seemingly it is written on the civy ticket - story went that the RUC had "hired" the RAf to transport those specialists to their conference. Again some bright civil servant had obviously thought that this was a great way to save the government cash (and maybe earn themselves an MBE)which is ofcourse why all of those "high value passengers" Beagle, were being transported on the wretched substandard piece of kit in the first place.. .Please keep up the pressure as you have done so well in the past, so that those 2 families who can hardly have begun to grieve can get on with their lives. They are fine people who deserve their son's names cleared once and for all.