Zag - If the guys (they were all male on departing Canada) haven't started on the OCU yet then surely the only people who are qualified to comment on them are the ones in Canada? Maybe their comments are biased but not as biased as those who have made up their minds without flying with the poor fellows?! You've got three coming your way - they all worked hard on NFTC and I'm sure that they will all work hard at Lossie...