thanks! Ill check on the pedal extension things. As far as my bitching about 172's goes, its just that everything is JUST and I mean JUST out of reach....its like I can fly it but it never feels right. The school Im at doesnt have 152's.....the place I used to fly at did and I loved it. I really think its the seats. I just don't understand, that as much as theses planes cost, they cant afford to put decent seats in them. Ive seen jump seats in king cab trucks that look better. I'm guessing you can have bucket seats in an airplane right?? Im totally ignorant.....so bear with me please?