I hate them! they are pieces of crap. Im too short for them, the damn armrests make it hard to flare because I have to move the seat so far forward.........PIECE OF CRAP!!! why can't they be like my (personal favorite) the 152? Which fits me like tailored suit? My back kills after flying these poor excuses for a chef boyardee can of soup! ok...that is all, Im just mad cuz Im short. All I need is an inch!!