From the point of view of a relatively new pilot (compared to some posting on this thread) I find BEagle's comments slightly worrying; my only comments on the XCQ plog and map would be that it is rather messy, has no fan lines and the safety altitudes are rather on the low side (which I admit is potentially serious). However does this really constitute and is it really indicative of just how bad PPL nav training is? The reason I ask is that many PPLs like me simply don't really know any better and when experienced instructors like BEagle come along and say 'You really haven't been taught very well' it makes me wonder how it should be taught. Have standards of training really slipped that much over the years?