This thread is like Groundhog Day. The bmir crew council were consulted throughout the setting up of the agreement and were instrumental in the old one being scrapped.I will explain once again that the pilots who left the company called bmi regional (formerly British Midland Commuter)and signed contracts with the company called bmi no longer have any connection with bmir. They have left and joined another company. The only difference between them and any other new join at bmi is that that they have been given a date of joining for employment purposes that is the same as their date of joining BMC. You can argue the morality and the emotional stuff as much as you like but the facts are the facts. No-one working for bmi has any legal claim to a job with bmir and vice versa. Those who transferred to bmi work for bmi. The Transfer agreement is not a mess. It was supposed to work this way. The only advantage that these people got by working for bmir before joining bmi was their date of joining. Fact. Now please, someone, put these guys out of their agony or this will go on for ever.