NigelOnDraft :
flyer145 / Lemurian / Quote:
What Lemurian said is quite correct. The autobrake was not providing the decleration that was set/required! You are also correct that the autobrake could have been working but because of a slippery runway could not provide the required deceleration. However the "NO DECEL" is a standard call and was missed out! Maybe the announcement of "No spoilers" & "No decel" would have woken the PF to the real reason or prompted him to go-around.
I trust the criticisms you make of deceased pilots is made from 100% knowing this call is a TAM SOP requirement
That call is
NOT an SOP in BA for instance...
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Nigel, thank you,
that was actually my point cos neither was it an SOP call in my previous airline! Except if judging by all clues you would judge a real decel problem; in that case of course it would be mandatory to call it out. But this has not only to do with the green light coming on or not.
To my opinion, the crew made adequate call outs as they stated "no spoilers" and a "NO DECEL" call by calling "decelerate, decelerate!". I don't know their SOP's either...
You'll all probably agree that the call out's seems at least very CLEAR to both of them and that other calls wouldn't have changed much here: the crew rapidly understood it was ALL GOING VERY WRONG.
They were faced with something they did not understand :
LDG all GREEN which means all the required systems are working normally and then no spoilers and no deceleration on this bloody short and slippery runway !!!!!!!
Easy to analyse afterwards, it will probably be... but let's not jump to conclusions and let's wait the specialists final report.
flyer146 (not 145 nigel, unfortunately if you see what I mean!
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