Apple Tree Yard
Disagree totally with you when you say always accept any payrise thats offered. Its a little carrot with a huge bloody stick hiding behind it.
Lets see it from the perspective of an SO. He must sign away bypass pay, longer time to FO upgrade/command with age 65/DEFO etc etc for what?
A measly pay rise that will never even come close to compensate for his losses.
On a SO salary of 32 000 a month the payrise equates to one semi good night in Lan Kwai Fong. Any SO would be well advised to not give up all the above mentioned for less than 1000 HK $ a month extra.
The pay talks and COS talk should be split into two separate issues.